We chat to legendary "phone phreaker" John Draper AKA Captain Crunch about hacking, the Homebrew Computer Club and how he helped Woz and Steve Jobs start Apple.

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Show notes:

BBC computer literacy archives: https://bit.ly/2z7YE0V
National Video Game Arcade moves to Sheffiled: https://bbc.in/2lYyCUq
The Netflix of retro gaming: https://bit.ly/2tXBqFS
Need to change definition of 'Hacker': https://bit.ly/2tKXjHG